Why is swift swim and drizzle banned

Not very many last I checked. Point is, Rain Team is the bane of all other weather teams unless restricted to some degree. The worry of setting Rain Dance back up is basically the only hindrance to a Rain Dance team. Otherwise, you're pretty much free to sweep in every way imaginable.

Kabutops and Kingdra are unbelievably effective sweepers in rain. Joined Oct 1, Location NY. Rain teams can be pretty annoying, but haven't been popular since Gen IV. At least what I've seen I've seen people try to use Politoed but just dont have the means to back him up. I've either roared him out with Swampert, or even sent in Tyrannitar for a Dragon Tail to break it.

Using priority Quick Attack or ExtremeSpeed can knock out an ill prepared Politoed assault, but these tactics aren't something particularly new. The new Gen V Pokemon bring some new stuff in, but using the older guys that people have seemed to neglect, or forget about manage to keep players on edge.

As for if it's fair or not, I think abusing certain abilities and combos can be crafty, but using rain and Swift Swim should just be reserved for a certain tier. I played about 30 matches today. About half of them led with Politoed Drizzle. I'm really getting sick of the little frog, it just ain't fun anymore.

Last edited: Oct 3, Blaze Hero Guest. I have. Literally not figurutively every team was this: Politoed, Kingdra, Ludicolo, Ferrothorn, Magnezone to trap and kill Ferrothorn, making Kindra impossible to stop , physical Fighting type to hit Blissey usually Breloom.

Specs Kingdra in Rain is impossible. But that's not even all. User Info: SirDanieI. User Info: Runeboggle. User Info: xiaolinpet. Almost all Pokemon with swift swim also get their stab water attacks boosted in the rain. Who has chlorophyll? Grass types weak the the type their weather powers up. I don't see how one is any more broken than the other. Especially when the latter has the ultra cheese venusaur growth combo running wild in OU right now, it seems silly that one would get banned and not the other.

Am I missing something? Pokemon with Swift Swim are usually water types, and thus also get boosted STAB in the rain as well as a huge speed buff. There is probably more to it than this, but it's the best explanation I've got.

Shadow Temple Here is gathered Hyrule's bloody history of greed and hatred User Info: infinitexx. Apart from the fact that this topic has been made countless times,Swift Swimmers get a boost to their STAB, while Chlorophyll users get a boost to their weakness. Evasion, different story all together. You can't make an omelette without crushing dozens of eggs beneath your steel boot and then publicly disemboweling the chickens that laid them as a warning.

Alright; Rain has got everything going it in weather wars. Sand has the best Pokemon; Tyranitar uber stats, Excadrill ridiculously good typing, garchomp another pokemon with ridiculously good stats. Kingdra, one of the most notable abusers, was deemed too strong with instant rain being brought on the field. The proposal's goal was to make sure Drizzle stayed, but due to it being a complex ban, it made the community uneasy in implementing it. At that time, there was little resistance to the ban.

But as time went on, Drizzle was becoming more and more of a commodity in the metagame. Slowly but surely, rain's biggest abusers, Manaphy, Thundurus, and now Tornadus-T, were later banned from the OU metagame to keep rain in balance with the rest of the metagame.

But now, the question still stands: should Drizzle have just been banned in the first place? Many believe so, and in this article we will be examining the suspect process if Aldaron's proposal had not been implemented so early on, as well as what the metagame might look like. Would Drizzle as a whole have been banned? Or would smaller complex bans be implemented later to contain the broken Swift Swimmers and let the non-broken ones be allowed in the metagame.

Did this proposal go too far? Although this is pure speculation, it is quite easy to see that suspect tests would have had a lot more individual Swift Swimmers than the entirely general ban that Aldaron's proposal covered.

Instead of a wide ban like Aldaron's proposal, it is likely Swift Swimmers would have been individually banned on their specific broken qualities. At the top of the list would probably be Kingdra, Ludicolo, and possibly Kabutops.

Omastar, Gorebyss, and Huntail wouldn't be far behind, while the rest of the Swift Swim group would be rarely used. While all 3 of these, along with many others like Seismitoad, Luvdisc, and Golduck would be neglected with the presence of the other obviously superior choices for Swift Swimmers, it is possible that they could become a problem later on. Kingdra, Ludicolo, Kabutops, Omastar, and likely Huntail and Gorebyss would be punished for their power under rain, or at least in Gorebyss's and Huntail's case, for Smash Passing with amazing speed.

This way, all the community-decided broken Swift Swimmers would be the only ones to be banned, making it ultimately more fair. Those choices are obvious to see, but the real question is whether the other weaker Swift Swimmers would be punished the same way the stronger ones would in Aldaron's proposal.

This is where the line is drawn between broken and simply fair. Rain has a lot of tools to work with, and arguably was the best weather in the metagame from the very start. Would these, albeit, weak Swift Swimmers possibly push it to even higher heights? This is where we must look at other weathers and their similarities.

Sun did not suffer any sort of complex ban with Chlorophyll and Drought in combination, and it is obvious most of the Chlorophyll abusers are completely superior to some Swift Swimmers. If Aldaron's proposal was not put into place it would be rain's bottom of the barrel Swift Swimmers against sun's very best. Sun overall is the weaker weather, but does this still mean it should get a free pass? Before we get into that, though, we must get back to the main problem.

It is hard to get an accurate answer out of speculation, but the best possible answer would be: no. Luvdisc would probably never be individually subjected to the ban hammer itself, and the same would probably apply to Floatzel and Mantine. Neither are overly powerful or pose a significant threat to the metagame.

The only possibly problematic one that could pose a threat would be Carracosta. With access to Shell Smash and Swift Swim it could pose a problem, especially due to its decently strong attacking stats.

Would it be assumed that Carracosta would be banned simply because of that? Probably not, but it is the only likely suspect to be placed under judgement after the big Swift Swimmers were subjected to a ban.

However, that is only the first theory of how the metagame would have played out without Aldaron's proposal. It is very possible that rain itself could have been simply banned.

Without Drizzle, Manaphy would certainly have not been as powerful. It would not have any sort of insta-cure abilities to heal itself fully every turn while simultaneously boosting its stats to great heights with either Calm Mind or Tail Glow.

Both would surely lack the grasp of power they held on the metagame, and it could have lead to future diversity in the metagame if both were not banned. Manaphy could still function as an offensive special attacker with Tail Glow. Having a pure Water typing is not a bad thing at all—in fact a bulky Water is almost a necessity on teams. Hydration is still a cool ability, and could still be useful in some cases, although Manaphy would probably be only used for a purely offensive role with the absence of rain.

It would perfectly balance it out, no one-turn full heal of all status or damage, and in return a powerful little bulky water that could definitely be a positive introduction in the metagame. With the rather balanced stats and movepool Manaphy had, it probably would have been able to cope in the metagame without being broken.

Thundurus is still debatable, but it would not be nearly as broken as it was with the prevalence of Drizzle. Tornadus-T would have almost certainly have never been banned, and because of this it would probably fall down to UU. Many would argue that this would keep the bans to a minimum and keep the metagame more diverse without the huge influence of an additional weather.

This would leave the two main weathers, sand and sun, to be the only ones to brawl it out in the metagame on their own, with the occasional hail team joining from the sidelines.

This brings up the argument that sun would possibly become broken itself without rain, but this is not a very easy argument to make. Without rain, sun would surely be more dominant in the metagame, along with the addition of sand as well.